In this episode of Retaili$tic, Deborah Weinswig interviews Lori Schafer, CEO of Digital Wave Technology. They discuss Lori's journey in tech, her passion for education, and the importance of professional development. The conversation covers various themes including career beginnings, managing distractions, lifelong learning, and advice for the next generation. Lori shares personal challenges and insights on resilience, emphasizing the significance of self-driven motivation and the value of strong friendships in navigating life's complexities.
Video version of this episode can be viewed here
Takeaways
Lori emphasizes the importance of teaching and helping others in her career.
Setting communication boundaries is crucial in a fast-paced work environment.
Doing what you love is essential for career satisfaction.
Lifelong learning is a continuous journey that should be embraced.
Self-driven motivation is a key trait employers look for in candidates.
Building character often comes from facing challenges without safety nets.
Having supportive friends is invaluable during tough times.
It's important to balance personal and professional life effectively.
Managing distractions is vital for maintaining productivity.
Adapting to life's changes is necessary for personal growth.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Retaili$tic Podcast
02:05 Lori Schaper's Journey in Tech and Education
09:00 Career Beginnings and Early Influences
11:31 Learning to Work with Others
12:31 The Importance of Lifelong Learning
13:49 Managing Distractions in a Digital Age
18:18 Establishing a Morning Routine
19:08 Balancing Physical and Mental Health
21:30 Reflections on Life Decisions
23:54 Advice for Graduating Students
Speaker 4 (00:00.78)
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Thanks, Isla. Now let's welcome Deborah and Lori.
Lori, thanks so much for joining us today.
always a pleasure. Hope you're doing well.
Thank you, you two. So I still remember, my gosh, was at least a decade and a half ago, being on stage with you at NRF and just being so in awe at the way you thought about the industry, the way you were able to communicate what was happening and really resonate with the audience. If you go back in your career, what was it that got you to that moment? And how did you know kind of your calling was to not only work in tech, but also I think you've always led with education.
Speaker 2 (02:39.778)
And that's what's really unique about you.
Thank you. So when you say what led me to it, think, you know, obviously everybody's a product of the way they're brought up, the way they're raised, the education they have. All those things come together. And I was raised in a Midwest, very traditional family, great values. I very much love my parents to this day for everything they've taught me. And then I went away to school and I was very good at math.
and analytics, that kind of a thing. And so somehow I ended up in the computer science field quite a while back. And from that perspective, I also ended up at Procter & Gamble as my first job and then in retail. that combination of AI type of analytics, data science, computer science and business, especially in the retail and consumer goods field is really where I've left my mark. And I love to teach people. I love to help people. And that's just part of
I guess my nature.
That's great. And how did you figure out in high school what you wanted to do? How did you then figure out what college? Because there's a lot that had to line up for you to get to where you are today.
Speaker 1 (03:48.802)
I'm going to say a lot of luck. Candidly, I wanted to be either a doctor or a photographer. I had a creative side that wanted to be a photographer and I wanted to go to New York fashion and major in photography and the other side of me wanted to go to MIT and my father said, your older brother's in medical school and this is back in the 1980s and in the Midwest and heck, know, other than I had very good grades in high school.
I really didn't have much ambition and honestly I pretty much got told you need to major in this because it's going to go places which is a combination of computer science and mathematics and business and that was it.
What was it you mentioned a few times you really loved math? What was it about math that drew you to it?
You know, it's problem solving in general. I've always enjoyed solving complex problems and mathematics is nothing more than solving numerical problems. And I just happened to be gifted at it. You know, I just fell into it. I was very good at math. I was, you know, one of these people that did well on everything. But when it came to things like grammar and English, let's just put it this way, I had to struggle to be good at those sorts of skills, whereas the math just automatically came to me.
Did you?
Speaker 2 (05:05.838)
You, I don't know if it was in high school or college, were there things that you participated in to kind of like test your math prowess or how did you kind of outside of the classroom continue to level up or really kind of test the metal?
I was very active in high school and college in a number of things. I can't say that I really tested my prowess for math outside of school. Honestly, like I said, there was probably a lot of luck and upbringing. My father's a extremely brilliant engineer. And so he would at the dining room table, he would make me derive integrals and derivatives and actually walk through the way that's done at the dining room table.
so that when I was in calculus, advanced calculus in high school, he was my mentor.
It's such a great, so my dad, I wanted to be a doctor as well and I was getting there through chemistry. And so my father would do my chemistry homework before me and then I would do my chemistry homework and then we would sit down and we would compare, right? How we, and it was such a, think having kind of that strong parental foundation and someone who.
I mean, literally, he got an additional textbook, right? And the idea that you could talk about something that you love so much, it's academic, it's school, which is not supposed to be fun. But then when you're doing it, yeah, no, I totally, he really kind of, and also like, I don't know about how you felt, it brought it to life, right?
Speaker 1 (06:31.702)
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, he brought it to life. And candidly, I got my mom's natural personality in a lot of ways, but I got my dad's drive and my dad's, I say, love of math. Honestly, today, I couldn't do it if my life depended on it. I am 100 % business, but I know who to hire. And back in early days, I did all the fancy algorithms and now I couldn't do it if my life depended on it.
But I think that actually having that background, I it goes back to, I can see things, especially in this day and age of Gen.ai, Gentic, and beyond, right? I can see things. Like if someone's like, can you me fix my code or whatever, right? It goes back to it's all like pattern recognition, right? I feel like you're, so even though you're not necessarily doing it day to day, I bet your ability to see something that others can is still second to none.
I think it's because, again, yes, absolutely. it's really that training early on in life. And I think about in college, my job was I was an assembly language program debugger because it paid well. And I needed to pay my way through school. And that was a great way to do it. And that is about as granular and basic as you can get in terms of computer science and also the math that went behind solving some of those problems.
And so nowadays, I'm dangerous, no question. I'm not the right person to go too deep on anything. But I know the questions to ask. know the traits of, you know, the human character that we want to hire wherever I am in my role today at Digital Wave.
It goes back to those jobs, I think in high school or college. define you. I mean, was, I mean, when I was younger, I had like a paper route. I had to get up every morning at 5 a.m. right by like 630 or covered like head to toe a newsprint. Right. I mean, it was. But going back to my dad, because they were my parents were afraid, it's like pitch blackout. So my dad would like drive along near me delivering papers.
Speaker 1 (08:24.398)
Go to him.
And so it is interesting when you think about some of those earlier and going back to whether it's you want to look at being scrappy or kind of being able to figure things out. There is something to be said about being able almost like pushed out of the nest early on to figure some of that stuff out.
I agree with you. Yeah, I was pushed out of the nested, you know, at college and never looked back. But I am grateful to my parents for doing that.
With your first job after college, how did you decide where to work? What did you hope to get out of it? And how did that set you up for what was next in your career?
Great question. So I have to admit as a 21 year old graduating from college and needing to make my way, I admittedly looked for, gee, who's going to pay me the most? You know, that's one of the factors I have to say I took into account. And I happened to be interviewed by a number of companies, one of them Procter & Gamble, who I had also interned with. And that I was honestly kind of flying blind. once again, my family said, that's a great company. You know, can.
Speaker 1 (09:28.726)
almost get an MBA by going to Proctor & Gamble. Okay, I'll do that. And they needed data scientists way back then. And that's how I got my start. And obviously, at that point in time, dating myself, personal computers were just coming out, you know, the double dual floppy disks, that sort of thing. The CEO of P &G picked me amongst four people to say, hey, these young kids are going to teach us how we need to work with retailers so that we can get more
shelf space and more control of the categories. that, story short, that got me into retail, that got me into AI early on. And then I jumped into retail and technology and the rest is history.
But that's so interesting when you think about it that they were thinking about it back then. Right. I mean, what a a fascinating approach. I think the great thing about I also I had an internship at PwC. And the funniest story is on the last day they make me an offer. I'm only a junior. Right. It's like my second semester of my junior year. And so I'm like, yes, I want the job. And I think they they're like HR person is like, we've never had anyone accept the job. And I was like, they went to there are only like six public accounting firms.
I had had a phenomenal experience. And so, you know, I was like, yes. And so it was amazing because it allowed me my whole senior year to either focus on studies. I took a big exam as well, but it was amazing how kind of having the internship set you up well for post college. That's right. less thing. And you already knew the culture then a little bit as well. That's right. And so, you know, I hadn't expected them to ask me to start. I had like a whole summer plan in Europe and like I got a call. like, Mayo, can you start June 1st?
Of course I can. So no, was interesting. And so if you think back on it, how did you learn to work with others? because I think, that's a skill set that, you know, craft, but oftentimes kind of interpersonal, a lot of those things that come up at work, how did P &G help teach you that? And how did that stay with you the rest your career?
Speaker 1 (11:32.878)
I think that first role out of college, large company, well-known company, good ethics at the time, very strong HR policies, even back in the 80s, they were already focusing on everybody's equal, that sort of thing. And back then, you had to wear either a blue suit or a gray suit or a black suit. But those rules taught me a lot about interacting, because I was interacting with people, obviously, from...
20s to 70s perhaps or even 80s in age. And I think that early discipline, you're not allowed to drink on the job, you're not allowed to do anything that would misrepresent the company's brand. That's ingrained at an early age. You start at 21 years old, it sticks with you. So I think pretty much that and then just tons and tons of experiences as I continued on.
Did you end up doing any kind post-college, post-graduate work? you, how have you, because I feel like you're a lifelong learner. What's, what are more of the details around that?
I'm intellectually curious. That was from the time I think I was old enough to remember and I can remember at a very young age, but I just want to learn everything. There is to know. And there's never a time in a day and I've had to give up a lot of the perfectionism that I had when I was in grade school and high school and college and gosh, you it's okay if I'm not perfect. In business, you learn to go 80-20 and not 99.999. But it's just intellectual curiosity.
When Generative AI first came out, I was the first one to say, okay, I'm going to put my entire company through the MIT course on Generative AI because that was a few years back, because we are going to have to know this. So it's more that type of thinking. It really wasn't about getting the perfect education. It's just more, I just always want to learn everything I can about what I'm doing or what affects my life.
Speaker 1 (13:30.102)
I tend to read an enormous amount. It's just part of my makeup.
So leaning into that, there's so many distractions today between social media, all kinds of video, right, TV, et cetera. How do you limit the distractions? How do you think about managing your time? Because to me right now, I mean, it gets increasingly difficult by the day.
It does. It does. It's incredible. The amount of distractions in a business day or in anybody's day. The phone's constantly ringing. You're expected, I think about it in our company, there's Slack, there's Teams, there's text, there's email, there's WhatsApp. You can't possibly keep up with everything. I set ground rules. I tell people this is where I'm going to be. These are the priorities that I use for communication. You have to set up communication boundaries, otherwise it will take over you.
instead of you being able to direct what you need to in business. So I'm very clear about that with my team, know, i.e. I only check WhatsApp twice a day. I can't keep up with it. Great example or Instagram, that sort of thing. LinkedIn. It's once a day in the morning. I do block a couple hours every day for like for my own personal time of learning in business and doing that sort of thing. But beyond that, it's really about you setting the priorities for yourself and your business.
not the other way around because it will take over if you're not careful.
Speaker 2 (14:52.654)
Yeah, I think there was some research done by a large tech company and they were saying that if there isn't some kind of movement or whatever on screen, like every eight seconds, because we're so now hardwired for constant engagement. So I think about that now, like even when I'm presenting, right? Like I'll have like a video behind me or something because like I get it. mean, I'll tell you one of the things that I had done and I was in China in 2019 and then coming back to the U.S. was spending so much time at home, I literally wiped out all notifications and I moved.
all news into like a Gmail account because I was like if it's all coming into my inbox in many cases you're like right like it's all like clickbait and so what I found was if I didn't do that if I didn't separate then some of the work emails I would either not get to or you'd forget about because you were like all on this 12 levels down on some clickbait so
Absolutely, I'm laughing because as you're explaining this story, Deb, of what you did, I didn't do that. In the amount of time you've just talked, I've had seven messages fly by on my screen. A personal message from my brother about my parents, a bunch of business messages, none of them, by the way, that couldn't wait. But it's those constant distractions that you have to be able to just say, okay, tune it out till later, wait, wait, okay, that's important, reprioritize. But you have to be very quick.
Yeah, I think the greatest challenge and I think you nailed it was right you get messages in text you actually get messages in LinkedIn WhatsApp is increasingly used for business around the world right like I'm on WeChat then there's email and then if I get going back to I moved all all news to a Gmail but then if I see something interesting I'll forward to the team now now they're like responding in my Gmail and I'm like no no we've got it we got it like going back to I like the rules the road like
Maybe I'm sending it from Gmail, but let's include the work email on the other side. But I think some of those things are challenging. So let's talk about the learning piece. if you think about over the years, because there's so many different avenues and so much of it is free now, right? mean, lot of the universities have great courses and once again, all free. How do you decide what to look at, when to look at it? Because to me, you can also set aside that time for learning. But if you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (16:58.868)
in maybe an inefficient way or maybe looking at things that aren't really relevant, you're not going to kind of achieve the success you have.
No, that's right. I wish I had the perfect recipe. I don't. I learn every day as I go. And the number of channels of communication just keep growing literally every week, I think. One of the things, mean, and even business email now has gotten to be where there's so much spam that you can't keep up anymore. I have to live by priorities, everything I do. And I have to be able to just go into my day first thing in the morning and say, OK,
this, this, this, and this, and you know what? If nothing else gets accomplished, that's okay. And in terms of, you know, at nighttime, sometimes late at night when I want to unwind, I unwind by getting on generative AI and asking questions that I don't understand about life or about health problems or what have you. But, you know, during the day, I've got to just stay very focused on what are the most critical priorities that I need to do for our business today.
And do you have like a morning routine? Do you try and get up at the same time? What do you do when you wake up? Like, can you just walk us through like what, because I've always thought that the more that we can call it wash, rinse, repeat, the less decision fatigue. So how do you start your day and how do you think about that?
Well, I try to start my day and as an entrepreneur in technology, it never quite comes out the way I wanted it to. But, you I try to start my day with about 30 minutes at the beginning of just thinking through the day. I'll be on the computer. I'll be saying, OK, how many thousands of emails did I get, over the course of the last 24 hours that some I've read, some I haven't gotten to. And then I look at my calendar and I just think it's private time.
Speaker 1 (18:47.446)
I think through, okay, this is what I need to accomplish. No interruptions. And I'd usually get up early enough that I can do that. And then I just go.
I know, I mean, we've been friends for a long time. know that physical fitness has always been really important to you. How do you make time for that? And whether it's physical health or mental health, how do you find time to balance that?
It gets, you know, it's hard. not perfect. I'm far from perfect. I love physical fitness. You know, for a long time I ran marathons. I was a runner and a swimmer and you know, all that sort of thing. And then I, your career takes different paths. Your life takes different paths. My parents became ill a few years back. I started a new company and all of a sudden there wasn't enough time for that. And you know, honestly, fitness took a little bit of a backseat. It had to.
But I've pulled it back again where it's pretty balanced. But you know, go through phases where you're on and sometimes you're not as on as you should be. But life is a learning journey all the way to the end, I believe. And I'm at a place now where I've realized, you know what, physical fitness is really important. I may not be great at it, but I took a walk this morning, five mile walk and did three calls on the walk. know, so...
because there's no time otherwise to get the physical fitness in. So you just have to adapt to your own lifestyle and make sure that you could fit everything in.
Speaker 2 (20:10.294)
It's funny because I love to be outside. I love to walk and run. Going back to Sanger Purries, you know the stuff that keeps on getting pushed to the next day, the next day. And so what I've started to do is I'll walk and do it. And I try to do it when it's not super dark out so I can at least make sure because I'll be on my phone. But I find that if I'm doing something that's hard or I really don't like or don't want to do, that I can do it better if I'm outside walking or well.
My gym won't allow you to do phone calls or at least I've gotten yelled at a few times. Because you get excited, right? And you're loud and like I get shushed. So I don't do that anymore. Actually, I probably don't go to the gym anymore as much as I. As much as. At a certain point, I'm not used to being shushed. it.
But Deb, you're an amazing individual. I'll tell you what, if I can have the focus and the pace that you keep, boy, I'd be more of a person than I am today. I have to give you credit for all that. You're amazing.
which is why we're having this conversation because I've always thought that you've done such a great job. I've never had you say something and not eventually do it. And there's very few people and sometimes we get there faster, we get there a different way. It's shorter, sometimes it's longer. But I do think going back to like as a friend, right? Like you're someone like, I know if you say something, I don't have to worry, right? It's gonna happen. And that really, I think from a work perspective as well, That says a lot.
So as we start to wind down, if you were to go back and change any of the major decisions that you had made, what would that be?
Speaker 1 (21:40.664)
Good question. Well, I'd change a lot of decisions. But my life's been pretty good, I have to admit. I would just say I was too serious in my upbringing. Sometimes I wish I would have enjoyed things a little bit more. In high school and college, I was involved with everything. But, you know, deep down, I was always trying to make sure, as I said, I have a streak of perfectionism. It's long gone now, but it took a long time to get to that point.
And I guess that's the one thing I would change. I wouldn't change my upbringing. I wouldn't change my values. I wouldn't change the bad things in life that happened to me because they all taught me a lot.
I remember my father loved his job and even when he wasn't working, he was working and sometimes he'd be sitting right across the table from you and like, dad, he's like, I'm just figuring out this problem at work like I need to solve, right? And I met somebody and I was very, very fortunate to meet her. Actually, I her at a Fortune Brainstorm tech event. And I remember her telling me, I don't work to live, I live to work. She's like, cause I love, I love what I do. And I, and like not apologetic, but there's, right. goes back to like, I, know, you learn this little thing and it ends up having a huge impact on your business or.
You spent all this time and went down this rabbit hole and you probably learned something from that. But I think that this kind of constant excitement about the retail landscape, about where your company sits in that, about where your team sits, to me, that's so much of like who and what you are.
Thank you. have, yeah, I definitely have two sides. I have the personal side and I have the business side and sometimes they intersect. Most of the time I'm pretty good at keeping them separate, but there's no question that the personal side is who makes you as an individual. The values make you as an individual. I love people. I love teaching. I love caring for people. At the same time, as I said, I'm, I can't help, but in my genes from the other side is a very, very driven person. So it's a combination of both.
Speaker 2 (23:28.406)
Last question, if you were to provide a few critical pieces of advice to kids graduating now, right? And it's a challenging landscape. The amount of kids I know who graduated in May who are still looking for roles. Of course, many, have amazing jobs, but what advice would you give them in terms of how to think about the environment, how to think about their career? And if they're still looking for something, what would you suggest that they do?
A couple things, I think things are a lot different now than certainly they were when I was in college, but a lot of things are still similar. First of all, definitely do what you love. I think that's important. That's probably, I probably didn't get enough of that kind of thinking growing up, but it ended up fine. The other thing is, I do think that kids nowadays also need to find their way and they need to make their way. That's a...
personal opinion that I really believe that young people coming out of school, their parents do need to kind of push them off and let them swim without a life preserver. You know, I know that may be controversial, but I really believe that that's what builds character. That's what builds strength. And the earlier that that can happen, I think the better off in the long run of life. And I could say that because I'm over that quote magical.
hump and coming back down the other side of it. What was that? 35 and now it's what? Probably 50. But the point of it is that I really do believe when I look at the types of people we hire in our company, you want people that are self-driven. You want self-motivation. You want all those characteristics in an individual. And whether or not you make the most money at first doesn't matter. That doesn't matter at all.
But it really does matter is your values, the way you come across to other people, the way you treat people, and also your own motivation and drive. And you need to learn that as a young individual by, I hate to say it, school of hard knocks, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:28.108)
No, I think those are some very wise words. one of my very good friends said to me, he's like, whatever you do, don't let them come home. And he was seeking from personal experience. I was like, because he was talking about a bunch of public goodbyes. I'm like, what's going on? He's like, you have no idea. Just don't let them come home. He's like, they tried to tell you what to do. And I was like, that's so, so funny. But it's very funny actually kind of listening to you, because I remember my parents, when I decided to go into equity research. And they're like,
what on earth are you going to do when you decide to do something else? To them, didn't seem like very... Banking, yes, that seemed practical, or sales and trading, but research, they're like, do you do with that? so it was like, I remember, I think that that's one of those things that are like, here I am, many moons later from making that decision. And still some days I'll be like, okay, what am I gonna do after the research?
You know what? You stand, my parents did the same thing with me. It's like, you left Procter and Gamble. How could you leave Procter and Gamble? And you went to some startup company. Are you crazy? But, you know, you learn to stand on your own two feet. And as long as you're true to yourself and from that standpoint, you're going to be just fine. again, also, thankfully, I had great parents who taught me to stand on my own two feet. And life is going to throw curveballs at you constantly.
I am living in right now the most curve balls I've ever had dealt to me as an individual, but you know what? It just strengthens you.
And I think one thing, Lori, we didn't talk about is how important it is to have friends like each other. Because I will say one of my very good friends said, right, you can probably count your good friends on one hand, like people who you call in the middle of night, stuff is not going well or, know, who are always going to be there no matter what. And I mean, just to some context, Lori and I have known each other for well over two decades. And here we are. And during some of the challenges, I'm like, Lori, I will get on a plane and I will be there. And
Speaker 2 (27:25.646)
And she knew I meant it. And so I think those are the things and don't ever hesitate. And you can actually intertwine friends and business. But I do think, I've always said like health first, then family, then friends, and then work is like at the bottom. Because I think all of those need to align in order for you to have a great life.
They do. know, Dub, I went through a... Both my parents are in hospice now. It's a tough, tough time from that perspective. I woke up one morning in January of this year, ready to go to NRF, National Retail Federation show. Sunday morning, walked into my bedroom to try to get some clothes out of the dryer and no warning whatsoever. And pow, I was... Had the worst headache of my life. I passed out. I started vomiting on the floor.
I figured I had the flu, I ignored it. Thankfully, somebody else that I live with didn't ignore it and he called for help. And it turned out to be a ruptured brain aneurysm. And if you know the stats of it, they're not good. I was put on a helicopter, an airlift to do a hospital and had the best neurosurgery team around. And here I am, six months later, completely recovered.
But it does put things in perspective when you have that type of experience. And you were one of the few people, while I was in the hospital, in ICU for weeks, that was saying, I'll come down, I'll do whatever you need. And that just meant a lot. So I'm grateful for that.
I just have to share at FMI Midwinter two years ago, I was like, and for those of you who me, I booked travel at the last minute because I'm going back to decision fatigue. I'm like, well, I could take this flight or I could take this flight. could save up $50 here or 25 here. So now I just book everything really last minute because it takes a lot of the decisions out. Like I'm like in total sense, except you can't always do that. And I had nowhere to stay. And Lori's like, you can stay with me.
Speaker 2 (29:15.478)
And she's like, I'm like across the street in Airbnb. so I stayed on like, you know, sleeper sofa. I mean, I can sleep pretty much anywhere. And it goes back to right. Like when you're faced and there will be challenges, they can be personal, they can be professional, they can be both. But, you know, having goes back to like having those friends. And then I just also have to share, I'm very much kind of a night walker. Lori is very early morning. So I will say we stayed with each other for three days. never saw.
We never saw each other.
So I was making room in my suitcases for the candy bars, I prioritized. And so I left all this stuff and Lori's like, did you mean to leave? She's calling me, right? We didn't even see each She's like, did you mean to leave this stuff for me? Like, yeah, I thought you'd love it. It was your size. So Lori, thank you for joining us. It's always a pleasure. Thank you, And just the best success at Digital Wave. And likewise. those who don't know, Lori has really been a pioneer in Gen.E.I. and agentic. And we wish her all the success at Digital Wave. Thanks so much for coming on today.
Thanks, Deb. You take care. Good talking to you again. right. Take care. Bye-bye.
Bye.
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